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Mods, can we keep this here for a few hours? It will get more hits than the finance forum.

This may be a stupid quesiton, but I am a novice. Hey, when is the earliest you can buy a stock online ie. etrade, scottrade, ameritrade, etc?

I know there is pre-trading at 8am, but when can you actually buy the stock, the earlier the better.

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You can do a market order for as soon as the market opens.
 

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I imagine this is offered at the companies i have listed above?

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You can do a market order for as soon as the market opens.
 

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Anyone follow Mad Money "steam"? I have been watching this guy, he has released a few stocks over the past couple days, each one getting steamed up about 5%. Not a bad return for a quick hit in the AM.

I know this is a small sample, but I am going to follow this and see what trend I can come up with. It looks like many do what I am suggesting. I see it steams, then starts to creep back down, due to, investors taking a profit.

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I imagine this is offered at the companies i have listed above?

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Ameritrade for sure. Thats the only one of those above I have an account with.
 

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Chop:

Can you also put an order in to sell if you hit your target price?

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Chop:

Can you also put an order in to sell if you hit your target price?

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Bigbet....any broker should have that...good luck
 

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bigbet1234 said:
Mods, can we keep this here for a few hours? It will get more hits than the finance forum.

This may be a stupid quesiton, but I am a novice. Hey, when is the earliest you can buy a stock online ie. etrade, scottrade, ameritrade, etc?

I know there is pre-trading at 8am, but when can you actually buy the stock, the earlier the better.

Thanks,

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You can place your order any time you like with your on-line broker. It won't be executed until the market opens. As far as pre-market trading, I think those are for limit orders only meaning you name your price and if someone accepts it the trade is made. I haven't dealt with pre-market trading in a few years so I'm a little rusty on that.
 

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So, there is no way to buy a stock pre-market? The only thing one can do is put an offer out there, and if someone buys it, then you are in the stock, pre-market?

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You can place your order any time you like with your on-line broker. It won't be executed until the market opens. As far as pre-market trading, I think those are for limit orders only meaning you name your price and if someone accepts it the trade is made. I haven't dealt with pre-market trading in a few years so I'm a little rusty on that.
 

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Like I said its been a few years since I was involved in pre market trading. To be sure, I'd check with your online broker. I'm sure they have an FAQ section or 800 number that would spell out exactly how you would handle this.
 

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If I'm reading it right, it sounds like what you're wanting to do, Bigbet, is see what Jim Cramer plugs on his nightly show, then purchase that stock first thing in the morning at its previous closing price, catching it before a jump in price. Is that correct?
 

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Well, I have been tracking him. So, yes, buy low, sell high.

I am still trying to figure out the soonest I could buy a stock. His picks come out around 6pm EST. If I understand it correctly, the after-hour market ends at 6:30pm, giving me time to purchase the stocks.

Now, I am not to worried about pre-market, I want more focus on After Market. So, do you know if you can put an order in say, 610pm, and purchase the stock at market price in after hours?

I have chatted with Ameritrade, and can't get a clear answer from them. I know Scottrade offers after hours till 8pm, but no pre-trading.

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If I'm reading it right, it sounds like what you're wanting to do, Bigbet, is see what Jim Cramer plugs on his nightly show, then purchase that stock first thing in the morning at its previous closing price, catching it before a jump in price. Is that correct?
 

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After-hours trading is a tricky beast. Volume is so thin you'll see great spikes in prices, and a Cramer mention will spike them quickly. In after-hours you're not likely to be able to buy a stock he mentions at the price it was trading hours when the regular trading day closed.

What usually happens is that he mentions a stock -- especially one he likes -- and the prices jumps in after-hours. Watch the ticker at the bottom of the screen during his show: he mentions a stock and it's followed by a bunch of trades of that stock. Take a look at the day's closing price, though, and it's lower than those live prices you see. Then, the next day, the stock opens at a price higher than it closed the previous day -- it gaps up.

You might be able to make an AH trade based on a Cramer plug -- Ameritrade probably does allow after-hours trading, most big-name online brokerages do -- but getting a good price is a much tougher thing. Keep in mind, the people who are willing to sell a stock in AH are also aware of the Cramer effect, so they're not going to offer their shares at a low price.
 

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So, in after hours, you cant get market price. What your doing is in a sense what Matchbook, or mansion do, and exchange in a sense. In order to buy in after hour trading, you have to have a seller?

Say Kramer releases a stock, say XYZ is going for $10 a share, i cant go in to after hours and simply buy 1000 shares as in the normal trading day?

What causes all the volume in after hour and pre hour trading?

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Also, that is what I am saying, the gap up. How do you catch the train, before you are left at the station?

I notice sometimes in after hour and pre hour trading the stock will increas sometimes as much as 10% before the market opens.

There as to be a way to get your hands on some of his picks at a decent price in after hour trading.

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Exactly, in after-hours trading there must be a seller for you to be a buyer. That's how it works in all trading, actually, it's just that during the normal trading day there are so many more exchanges happening it's easier to find that buyer.

So let's use this as an example:

Stock XYZ closes the regular trading day at $10/shares. That night, Cramer speaks highly of XYZ and you go to your online brokerage hoping to buy 1,000 shares at the $10/share it closed at. For that to happen there must be someone also trading after hours willing to sell that number of shares at the price you specified -- there's no such thing as a market order AH. But because Cramer mentioned the stock, they're not likely to want to sell their shares at that cost.

It helps to think of post- and pre-market trading as a sort of peer-to-peer thing. A small number of traders trying to make deals among themselves.

Stocks gapping up (or down) are one of the most misunderstood things in trading. It makes sense to think that a stock opens a trading day at the price it closed the previous day, but that's not how it works. Before each day, a market maker (a specialist for the stock exchange in charge of setting prices at opening and other certain situations) determines what they believe the opening price should be, based on the previous day's closing and changes in demand that have occured overnight.

So, to use the same example, XYZ closed at $10, then Cramer said on his show it was a great stock. There was a rash of people buying the stock in after-hours, exchanging shares as high as, let's say, $12/share.

The next morning, instead of opening at either $10/share or $12/share, the market maker may have set the price at $11.50/share. So the gap up happened instantly. Now, if you bought at $12/share in AH, you've got a paper loss to start the day. Maybe the stock will ramp up during the day, but maybe not. A lot of people who held the stock already will be selling to grab their own profit.

Trying to figure a way to jump on the Cramer picks before everyone else is close to impossible. Keep in mind that thousands of people watch his show and are trying to do the exact same thing. It's a lot easier to overpay for a stock he mentions than in is to find a way to get a great price and make a quick profit. That's why he's always telling viewers to be patient in their buying -- determine what a fair price for a stock is, and not pay more than that; don't jump into an AH trade in haste.

In stock trading and in gambling, discipline results in more profit. Rushing into an AH trade just to grab a stock immediately is like making a bet late at night without much thought, trying to make up for a day when well-thought-out bets went against you. Sometimes it works, but more often that not it just results in an even bigger loss.
 

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I will pay a higher price for the stock. I know it is next to impossible to get it at the mentioning price. What I am looking to do is make a modest profit say, 3-5% and dump it. I think that would be possible. The stocks he released last night went up 3-4%, then this morning were up a bit more.

But I see what you are saying. It is going to be difficult to to "day trade" in a sense with him.
 

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Very difficult. Give it a shot trading on the Cramer effect, but it's a wise thing to start small. Watch his show then try buying a few shares in AH, before selling the next day, hopefully for a profit. Keep your lots small until you get a feel for it.

If it works out (or even if it doesn't), post a writeup here. I'd be interested in reading it.
 

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Will do my friend.

I just opened an account at Scottrade. I was going to go with Ameritrade, beings they have Pre-Market trading, which is not offered at Scottrade. Also, Scottrade is $7, compared to $10.99. And when we are talking minium profits of 3-5%, that $3.99 adds up.

In reality, I need After-Hour trading. So I can buy during the show. And Scottrade does offers this from 415pm-8pm, the times are perfect. I also spoke to Scottrade, and I understand the After-Hour market well now.

Like I said, I will start small. Starting small, that is buying less than 100 shares a crack. I also think you would be more likely at getting a decent price at a smaller buy. Going in and wanting 1K shares of XYZ isn't going to happen in AH i think. But we will see.

I am going to attempt my journey on Thursday. I will keep you posted.

One thing that concerns me is I have read his show is tape at 5pm, then airs at 6pm. There is an hour gap(while I know is small) but the callers have first "dibs" on his picks. I've also heard if you can get through for a call, you are on hold and can hear the show. That maybe an option in the future.

In any event, I will start small. Hopefully picking up less than 100 shares each time, making a 3-5% gain, and dumping. I think disapline and patience is key here, just like in anything. I'm not looking to get rich, just a way to grind out a small profit in other venues.

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Very difficult. Give it a shot trading on the Cramer effect, but it's a wise thing to start small. Watch his show then try buying a few shares in AH, before selling the next day, hopefully for a profit. Keep your lots small until you get a feel for it.

If it works out (or even if it doesn't), post a writeup here. I'd be interested in reading it.
 

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